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I know I’ve told this story before, but at a conference once, an author on a panel was asked how long it took her to write a book, from idea to publication. She said idea to publication, ten days. Ten. It takes her seven days to write it, a day to self-edit, and then a couple days to format it and set up sales channels, etc. She skips having someone else edit her work because it slows down the process, which makes her readers unhappy. They want as much new material as she can write, as fast as possible, and since they loved her books, there can’t be much wrong with them, right? It’s this story that made me absolutely skeptical of the quality of work authors with monthly or bi-monthly releases because the timeline doesn’t allow for another human being to put their eyeballs on their work. So, yes, technically this can be done. Whether or not it should be done is entirely subjective.

Jenny Trout on turnover.

Coming from fandom I find this kind of interesting, because very fast turnarounds in fanfic are both not-uncommon1 and always welcome; no one ever complained that their fav WIP got chapters added too quickly.

I think the fastest I’ve written a novel-length (60k-ish) fic was slightly under two weeks. The caveats are I didn’t have to work out characterization, setting, or lore–since they’d all been provided to me by the existing canon–and, even though I still think the fic is quite good, I find new typos and badly written sentences every time I re-read it. I also not-quite-unobviously changed the direction the fic’s finale was headed in halfway through, meaning some of the early foreshadowing is off. It’s something I’d fix up in a “profic” but didn’t worry too much about when I was posting something chapter-by-chapter to the AO3.

On the other hand, fandom is as fandom does, which means no-one’s ever complained about the fic’s deficiencies; only praised the parts about it they like. It doesn’t mean the rough edges aren’t there, though, and it doesn’t mean that learning to both, a) identify them, and b) polish them off isn’t a valuable skill. It’s just not something I feel all that bothered about doing when I’m posting fanfic, which is basically why I write fanfic; because it’s such a low-pressure2 exercise compared to producing pro works, and yet is something that helps me develop certain craft skills in ways the pro workflow doesn’t.

  1. That is, not necessarily common, but also not necessarily uncommon. []
  2. And high feedback! []
2017-08-21T08:46:15+10:0016th November, 2017|Tags: fanfic, profic, writing, xp|

A beginner’s guide to beta reading.

So there’s a post that’s been going around presenting an argument against beta readers. This is something I’ve been thinking about recently, for a variety of reasons, and so obviously I have Opinions on both the post specifically and beta readers in general.

To get the basic stuff out of the way first, I deeply dislike (though am hardly surprised by) the sneering, arm’s-length-pinched-nose way the article talks about the term “beta readers” in particular. As far as I know, the concept of betas comes out of fandom (who cribbed it off software development), so old dudes choosing to single it out for ridicule above-and-beyond other, similar concepts (e.g. crit circles) gets my back up.

That being said

Yeah. I kinda agree with the premise. Sort of. I agree with it in the sense that getting a good beta reader is hard, meaning most people end up with bad ones, and I’d argue that a bad beta is worse than no beta at all. Obviously (and as the article points out) this isn’t something limited to beta readers: I have a friend, for example, who’s lamented to me in the past that they stopped attending their local writer’s group because it basically turned into the group’s president hosting vicious teardown sessions of everyone else’s work. This, incidentally, is not the sort of beta/”crit” that’s helpful.

That being said, I have both performed and received beta reads in the past, and I do think they can be useful, under a couple of provisos:


2017-10-11T11:53:45+11:008th October, 2017|Tags: fanfic, publishing, writing, xp|

Australian Copyright Council releases statement on copyright.

It’s a PDF, because of course it is, available for download here. Key point (bold added):

A piece of fanfiction is more likely to infringe copyright where it uses a “substantial part” of the original work, without permission from the copyright owner, and no exception applies (see Copyright exceptions and fanfiction below). Courts have held that a “substantial part” is a distinct, important, or essential part of a copyright work. In the context of fanfiction, this would include key characters and key plot elements, all things which fanfiction by its very nature explicitly uses and reproduces. Although the extent may vary between types and pieces of fanfiction, in many cases it will be arguable that fanfiction does use enough of a pre-existing original copyright work to be a considered a substantial part for the purposes of copyright infringement

And then, a bit further down (again, bold added):

For fanfiction authors who write parody fanfiction, or fanfiction that satirises the original story or story tropes, this would easily come under the fair dealing for the purposes of parody or satire. Similarly, fanfiction authors who write fanfiction which examine and critique the original material, either the original story itself or its themes and ideas, could arguably come under the fair dealing purpose of criticism and review. Other types of fanfiction, however, such as alternate universes or romance, do not easily fit into these purposes, and thus would not be covered by a fair dealing exception.

I’m kind of surprised about that “alternate universes” line, because to me that would seem to be exactly the type of fanfic that doesn’t use the “key plot elements” or–arguably, if it’s ATG‘y enough–“key characters”. Though I guess the latter in particular would rely on you making the argument that your fanfic isn’t copyright infringing because it’s, yanno. Too poorly written.

I’m also side-eyeing that whole “parody and criticism is okay but romance is by definition not parody or criticism” concept so hard, you’d better believe it. But the whole paper suffers from that “when men write it, it’s fine, but when women write it… ew!” thing, as seen in the direct quote:

[F]anfiction has become increasingly mainstream with the internet and “remix” novels such as Pride & Prejudice & Zombies, William Shakespeare’s Star Wars, and 50 Shades of Grey with (in)famously began as Twilight fanfiction.

“(In)famously”? Fuck you, buddy. It’s probably not a surprising to learn that I’m of the opinion that romance–or romantic elements–can absolutely be used for the purpose of criticism, particularly in the “queering” context used in a lot of fanfic. This is the premise of Liesmith and Stormbringer, after all, which are Norse mythology fanfic under the lens of, “Yeah but how would you interpret the eddas if you weren’t a straight white dude?”

But I’m oldskool fandom, so maybe that’s just my bias showing.

That being said, don’t take it to mean I think the Copyright Council’s interpretation of the law is factually wrong; I’m assuming it’s not. It’s the cultural assumptions underneath the law that I have a problem with…

2017-07-17T11:47:51+10:0022nd December, 2016|Tags: copyright, fandom, fanfic, law|

So hey Tumblr. Hypothetically, if you had to mod a con panel about fanfic, what questions/discussion topics would you find interesting?

Just. Yanno. Asking for a friend.

2016-12-08T21:28:38+11:0027th September, 2016|Tags: fandom, fanfic|

Ebooks and interstitial reading.

Mike Shatzkin on the rise-and-rise of ereaders and interstitial reading.

“Interstitial reading” is the fancy-pants name for the reading you do on your phone when you’re on the loo or in the line at the supermarket. It’s short paragraphs and short chapters, fast-moving action and dialogue, easy to put down and easier to pick up. It’s a very, very difficult way of writing, in other words, and one that tends to get sneered at by a lot of (paper book) authors.

It’s also the native format of (almost) anyone who comes from writing fanfic.

Fanfic, at least for the last decade, is both natively digital and natively interstitial. It has no need to be formatted for print, no need to worry about things like the commercial viability of page counts, and so it tends to fall into a very specific kind of rhythm.

One like this.

In fact, I can usually tell when an author wrote fanfic before they wrote profic1 because they tend to write in The Style,2 at least for the first few books until it gets beaten out of them by editors or, like in my case, their own conscious effort to try and “write longer”.3

Anyway. The point is that this is something I think about a lot when I see people in fandom complain that they can never get into profic in the way they can with fanfic. Because, yeah, obviously there are issues around character familiarity and whatnot… but with the seemingly massive surge in popularity of ATG-esque AUs,4 I do wonder if there isn’t something else going on. Some kind of mechanical difference between the way fan- and profic tends to be constructed. So, yeah. I kinda think there is, and that Shatzkin has (inadvertently) nailed it.


  1. And, despite Conventional Fandom Wisdom, there are a lot of authors that did, and no, not just the ones you know about. []
  2. There are some other tells, like writing in present tense. Ironically, one of the authors I can think of that most predominantly writes in “fanfic style” is Chuck Wendig. We can have a discussion about the gendered implications of this another time. []
  3. I’m actually currently in the process of trying to unlearn my unlearning of fanfic style, because Reasons, but… that’s another story. Like, literally another story. Keep your eyes out in 2017/2018, in other words! []
  4. Seriously. These were not so popular a decade ago, I swear. []
2020-05-12T08:13:30+10:004th February, 2016|Tags: fanfic, writing|

The things I miss about fanfic.

The big thing I miss [about writing fanfic] is the feedback and interaction with that feedback. Yes when you write pro you get long detailed reviews, which you’re told not to read. There is amazon which you’re not supposed to reply to. It seems like Goodreads blows up at least once a month when an author responds to a review. I know to ignore the haters but there is this idea going around that you shouldn’t respond to the good reviews either.

I’ve realized it’s a matter of space and audience. Reviews are readers talking to other readers, not the author. Goodreads groups are again places for readers to talk to each other. Even if people are saying nice things about my book it feels like I’m listening in on a private conversation.

-Ada Soto on going pro.

One day I’m going to write one of those listicles about The Five Things Writing Fanfic Didn’t Prepare Me For In the Profic World. They’re all going to be things like this.

Because, yeah. This was one of the most jarring transitions I had, too. Back In The Day I was an MNF; not one of the cool kids, but “known’ enough that my fics would be in the first couple of pages of results on AO3. If I posted a new fic or chapter, I could expect comments and kudos to start coming in within the hour. People would make podfic of my stuff, write spin-offs and giftfics, do translations into other languages. All that sort of stuff. It was nice and, notably, it was immediate.

It also, I think, made me a much better–and much more prolific–writer. And the stakes were pretty low; if I tried something on, and it didn’t work… eh. It’s not like people were paying for it.

I had this perception that somehow the profic world would be… like that but moreso? Or something? So it was kind of confronting to realise that actually, no. No, it’s not like that at all. Profic writing–particularly in the midlist–is incredibly lonely. It’s long stretches of nothing punctuated by a week of panic and frenzy come release time, then a month of agonising over pretending not to read reviews. It’s this enforced wall of professional distance between yourself and your audience, no matter how much either side might year to leap that chasm.

It’s also, ironically, much more difficult to “make it” in the profic world–and yes, I’m talking about even after you’ve done the agent/publisher hurdle–than it is writing fanfic.

Quick quiz: How many book sales do you think it takes to make something like the NYT Bestseller list? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000?

Well, no. It’s actually closer to 3,000-6,000 sales over a single week’s period. I want you to think about that in the context of how many hits a fic from a popular fandom author can get within the same time period. You want to know why p2p and transitioning BNFs have been The Hot Shit in the professional publishing world in the past? Well, there you go. Similarly, if you want to know why some of those attempts have flunked dramatically, then there you also go; the structure of how profic is produced, marketed, sold, and received is fundamentally different that how things work in fandom. That means the same strategies don’t necessarily work across the two (and, if they do work, it’s usually not more than once, where those “onces” have already been tapped out).

This, incidentally, is also why I killed my fandom identity when I first signed with my agent. I knew I’d have to make a transition from writing-for-fun and writing-for-money, and that was how I chose to do it. Some profic authors can jump between their pro writing on the one hand and their fannish identity on the other. I knew that couldn’t be me. I’m too much of a procrastinator, and fandom was too “fun” compared to profic writing, which is for all it’s a lifelong dream, is still, yanno, work.

(There’s also the whole thing about how “reads like a fanfic” is still used to denigrate the works of, almost exclusively, female authors, including by people within fandom. I have Massive Feels on that subject, which I will reserve for another time.)

Anyway, point being, there are a lot of steep learning cliffs to jump off in the transition from fanfic writing to profic. Pretty much none of them are what people expect…

2015-08-06T08:43:50+10:006th August, 2015|Tags: fandom, fanfic, gonzo author stories, profic, writing, xp|

Corporate fanfic.

The fanfic communities I grew up participating in were always overwhelmingly queer and female, as well as interested (albeit often imperfectly) in intersectionality and social justice. Fanfic then became a way of critiquing mainstream media through that lens, so I’m used to the idea of transformative works being exactly that: transformative. In that they take a source text and interrogate it for tropes and biases, with the produced output often being ways for their authors to work out those issues in their own minds (as well as being a piece of fiction).

So it’s interesting, coming from that background, to surface into modern pop culture, which is saturated with what is essentially “corporate fanfic” in the form of franchises and remakes. I think there are a lot of questions in there about who is (and isn’t) chosen to produce these works, what audiences they’re marketed for and to, and why some “fanfic” is given the stamp of legitimacy while other fanfic is not. Just why can’t Spider-Man be gay or black? And not to put too fine a point on it, there are a few things people like Joss Whedon (Marvel film fanfic), John Scalzi (Star Trek novel fanfic), Steven Moffat (Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Who TV fanfic), and Chuck Wendig (Star Wars novel fanfic) all have in common. I’ll let the reader figure out what they are. So while none of that is the fault of the people mentioned, I think it’s worth having a discussion around why them in particular and not someone else.

Today I’m over at Libromancer’s Apprentice, talking about The Angels, fanfic, and Stormbringer.

2018-06-26T13:22:34+10:004th August, 2015|Tags: fandom, fanfic, interviews, STORMBRINGER, wyrdverse|

Apply a sterile bandage to the burn.

What is significant about unofficial, extra-canonical fan fiction is that it often spins the kind of stories that showrunners wouldn’t think to tell, because fanficcers often come from a different demographic. The discomfort seems to be not that the shows are being reinterpreted by fans, but that they are being reinterpreted by the wrong sorts of fans – women, people of colour, queer kids, horny teenagers, people who are not professional writers, people who actually care about continuity (sorry). The proper way for cultural mythmaking to progress, it is implied, is for privileged men to recreate the works of privileged men from previous generations whilst everyone else listens quietly.

–Laurie Penny on fanfic.

Penny is talking about Moffatian shows like Sherlock and Doctor Who here, which are fanfic in every way we don’t culturally recognise. That is, they’re written by adult white men though formal institutions of power (e.g. the BBC).

2017-09-28T13:45:48+10:009th July, 2015|Tags: fandom, fanfic, pop culture|

A celebration of the written word.

Lest we think that young and no-so-young people don’t read (or write), consider the sheer volume of [fanfiction] that’s been published. There are tens of thousands of authors, using their grasp of language to weave stories featuring their favourite characters in new situations. For some of those authors, fanfic will be a precursor to writing as a pastime throughout their lives. For a few, it’ll become a career. But in every case, it’s a celebration of the written word: tested out in a safe environment, often under pseudonyms, and in front of a responsive and constructive community of hundreds of thousands of readers. That’s a profound thing.

–Matt Gemmell discovers fanfiction.

(It’s always so adorable when someone outside of fandom “discovers” fanfic…)

2017-08-23T09:53:41+10:0011th November, 2014|Tags: fandom, fanfic|